Jack chain is a great option for many installs. The most common use for jack chain that we are seeing is for speakers used in sound masking and paging applications, light fixtures and signs. However the list is endless of what you can hang with jack chain. While grid wire maybe less expensive than jack chain, the results many times simply aren’t as appealing. Chain is easier to ship and usually comes in a 100′ box or spool that you can cut to desired length on the fly. A good quality side cutter or a lineman’s pliers should do the job. #12 is one of the more common sizes of jack chain and it is typically rated for 30 lbs or so. Most speakers, signs and fixtures fall well below that and usually have more than one mounting point so it is a good choice. Larger gauges are available as is stainless steel.
An easy way to attach your jack chain to the fixture is with simple “S” hooks. There are many anchoring options for jack chain depending on your ceiling. You will find hammer on clamps, bar joist clips, purlin clips, concrete anchors and eye lag screws that will all make for an easy install when used along with an “S” hook. Many of these fasteners can be installed to the ceiling from the floor using a pole tool. Once you attach the “S” hook to your jack chain, pinch the “S” shut with a pliers and you are set. That line pliers we mentioned earlier would be handy now wouldn’t it!
Jack chain is one of those handy little items that you will definitely find a use for on the job and around the home. Don’t forget to keep a supply of “S” hooks on hand as well to make you installation fast and easy. Check us out at ConstructionFastening.Net for jack chain and a wide variety of specialty tools and fasteners for the trade including data comm, low voltage, electrical, security, signage, mechanical and more!
The Ramset 38TRHSS is a ceiling clip designed for installing 3/8″ threaded rod to concrete decks using either a powder actuated or gas powered tool from Ramset, Hilti, Simpson and others. The z shaped design features stamped 3/8″-16 threads and a premium 1″ pin. While not offering near the pullout of a 3/8″ drop in anchor, the 38TRHSS 3/8″ rod hanger offers some fairly decent pullout values for lighter weight applications. In 4,000 P.S.I concrete at 3/4″ penetration, you can obtain allowable pullout values of 100 pounds. Pull out data from Ramset. The real advantage with the Ramset 38TRHSS 3/8″ rod hanger shooter clips is the speed. So if your application is light enough, they are well worth looking at.
Consider a couple of other advantages of using the Ramset 3/8″ rod shooter clip. One added advantage that you may not have considered is the fact that you are not drilling do not have to contend with the Silica Dust regulations OSHA has implemented for any concrete drilling! On some sites, you will find the actual quick shot of your powder actuated tool to be much less annoying than the sound of your rotary hammer. Another advantage is installing the hanger with a pole tool for your Ramset or Hilti Tool. Adding the threaded rod before you install can even keep you on the ground for a large portion of the install and may even help you get into tighter areas in crowded ceilings.
The Ramset 38TRHSS rod hanger is also rated for use in single shot gas tools such as the Ramset T3SS. Gas tools require no certification and can be used on some sites that restrict the use of powder actuated tools. Gas tools also work a little better on block applications with out over drive issues so you may find some creative horizontal uses for them as well.
You can find the Ramset 38TRHSS 3/8″ threaded rod shooter clip along with a wide variety of other threaded rod hanging options for 1/4″,3/8″ and 1/2″ threaded rod online at Construction Fastening.Net. Not sure if our 3/8″ shooter clip will work in your tool? Give us a call toll free at 1-877-212-2377 and we will do our best to help you out.
We sell hundreds of thousands of pre tied ceiling grid wire for Ramset & Hilti tools each year. While most are sold to local customers, we sell many across the country as well. One thing that really hinders our nationwide sales are the shipping charges. This really is a shame because pre tied ceiling wires are becoming a must have fastener for many installations. You will find some suppliers offering pre tied wires, but many times the clip choice is limited or the quality of the pin is sub par (yes pin quality makes a huge difference.) So, here is an option for you to tie your own ceiling grid wire or pencil rod.
What You Need
- Grid Wire Twist Tool. The first thing you need is a wire twisting machine. We offer a simple to use manual tool that with a little practice, will have you tying 300-400 wires an hour if you need that many! The tool will handle standard ceiling clips for use in Ramset and Hilti type tools as well as bar joist clips, purlin clips and a variety of different eye wedge anchors.
- Clips/Anchors. As mentioned above, you will want to have quality ceiling clips if you are going to shoot the wires up with a powder actuated tool. Keep in mind, cheap ceiling clips aren’t cheap when they bend or blow out especially as it cost you the labor, clip and load. I recommend having a good quality balistic point pin clip on hand along with bar joist clips, purlin clips and eye wedge anchor on hand. Doing so, you can tie up what you need when you need it.
- Grid Wire. Grid wire or pencil rod is available from many of the big box stores. You will typically use 12 gauge wire. You can cut to length with a cutters or if you want to cut bundles, an abrasive chop saw or grinder will make quick work of it. Standard lengths are 6′ and 12′.
- Work Area. You will obviously need a table or work area to bolt the tie machine to and the longer the wire the bigger area you will need. You may want to bolt the tie machine to the wall and then use a long 1″ x 12″ mounted to the wall, almost like a shelf to tie on. Add a couple of 1″ x 3″ to the sides to keep the wire in check.
- Labor. Nobody likes tying wire. I know, I have tied many, many wires. So here is a great way to get someone to tie them. Offer them piece work to tie them. I had a neighbor kit tie for me for a while, I paid him $.04/each, he was making $16 bucks an hour in his garage and watch TV at the same time.
How To Do It
Well I could try to explain it to you, but the video below does a better job. It may look a little tedious but you will get fast at it and learn a few tricks along the way. Again, the idea of paying someone piece work will insure it gets tied and fast. Tying your own ceiling grid wire to clips for powder actuated tools, bar joist and purlin clips and eye wedge anchors can be a very viable option for the small user. You will save the money on the high shipping associated with pre tied wires and have the ability make exactly what you need for the job on the f
Ramset sold a tool for years known as the LADD L1600 ceiling tool. It was a very simple tool with hardly any moving parts. You would load the single shot load in backwards, with the primer facing up and then insert the ceiling clip which had a special pin which had a dome on it. The ceiling clip was Ramset part number L652 and was also known as a LADD ceiling clip. When you compressed the tool against the ceiling, the dome of the pin was pushed into the load setting off the load and driving in the pin. The tool was loud but actually did a very nice job even in harder concrete. The tool would screw on to a piece of pipe, so you could make your own extension pole for the tool as long as you liked.
The tool has been discontinued for some time but you will see them in use here and there. We have stock on the original Ramset LADD L652 clip for use in the L1600 tool. If you are looking to update your ceiling tool, we are recommending the Ramset Viper 4. While Ramset has no longer carries the L652 ceiling clip, we currently have stock that we are clearing out, check out our closeout page.
If you have one of the plastic body Ramset Cobra Plus Tools sold by one of the big box stores, we now offer an extension pole to fit your gun. If you check the picture, the latest Ramset Cobra Plus is a nylon body tool with a larger plastic housing on the front of the tool that also serves to dampen the noise of the tool. If your tool looks like the one in the picture, click here to choose from either a 6′ extension or 8′ extension pole for to fit. If your tool is a standard Cobra tool or the metal body Cobra Plus tool, check our install tool section for either the LS350-6 6′ extension or the LS350-8 8′ extension.
Using an extension pole with your Cobra Plus tool offers you several advantages including faster and safer installs. Any time you can save a trip up a ladder, you are saving time and reducing risk of falls. We recommend the 6′ pole tool wherever possible as it will accommodate most jobs. The 8′ may be the answer for taller ceilings but down the road, on a lower ceiling, you may actually find yourself bending over to pull the trigger.
If you haven’t purchased a Ramset Cobra Plus tool as yet, please consider the standard Ramset Cobra Tool. The standard Ramset Cobra is based on the time proven Hilti DX-350 tool. The tool is fully serviceable and parts readily available. The Plus tool is offered in most big box stores and has gone through several versions. Not only are parts sometimes hard to find but it can be hard just to identify, which tool you have.
The Ramset J Master Ladd clip, part number L1701 for bar joist installations and the L1801 for purlins have been discontinued by Ramset. Both clips were installed with the L1700 install tool. The good news is we have a replacement for all three that will offer you a few advantages, including a tool to tie the grid wire for you. More about the Purlin Master at the end of the post. The Purlin Master tool will allow you to something with our bar joist and purlin clips that you could never do before with the Ramset L1700 or L1801.
For the Ramset L1701 Bar Joist Clip
Our replacement for the Ramset L1700 bar joist clips is the VOH14 clip. This clip mounts to 1/16″ to 1/4″ vertical flanges typical with bar joists. The clip can be used with the Ramset L1700 tool but a better choice is the HOIT-AL which features a spring lock that snaps into the clip so it will be more stable while you install. These clips are available pre tied in lengths of ranging from 4′ to 8′.
For the Ramset L1801 Purlin Clip
To replace the Ramset part number L1801 purlin clip, we are offering the ADOC14 clip. As with our bar joist clip, this clip can be installed with the Ramset L1700 tool but the HOIT-AL is the recommended tool. Our purlin clip is angled for use on z purlins. If you have a vertical flange purlin we would recommend the VOH14. At this time we are not offering the ADOC14 purling clip pre tied on our site, but you can give us a call and we can do it for you.
For the Ramset L1700
As mentioned above the HOIT-AL is what we are using in place of the L1700 tool. The real advantage for the HOIT-AL tool is how it allows you to click the bar joist or purlin clip securely on the the tool so it is nice and steady as you raise the clip to the ceiling. Like the Ramset L1700 tool, the HOIT-S can be mounted on piece of 1/2″ EMT pipe with a set screw connector or if you have the Lamgaster Plus tool, there is a plug that will accept the tool.
If you install bar joist clips or purlin clips, you really need to check out the video on the Purlin Master tool. The Purlin Master not only installs bar joist an purlin clips, it ties the grid wire on the clip for you, all from the floor! Please keep in mind the Purlin Master will only work with our VOH14 and ADOC14 clips.
The new Chuck Extender tool lends itself to so many applications. For instance, the CE-2 is a 27.5″ fixed length making it perfect for applications where you are drilling or fastening to the floor, no more bending over! The Chuck Extender is available in 3 sizes. The CE-2 is fixed at 27.5″, the CE-3 is a two stage tool that extends from 40.5″ to 64.5″ and the CE-3 that extends from 77″ to 139.5″. So what are some of the applications? Any drilling extension application such as hole saws, spade bits, high speed bits etc. where you need the reach. One application that we have heard of that is a real back saver is drilling holes in steel decks to drop in Blue Banger rod hanger anchors and support rod anchors that are installed before the pour. Other applications for the Chuck Extender include installing screws and screw in type anchors like the Sammy Screw. To be honest, we know that there are many more that we simply haven’t seen or heard of yet, but we are confident you will find all kinds of uses for this great little tool! Includes 3/8″ key less chuck.
Stainless Steel Acoustical Eye Lag Screw
Stainless steel acoustical eye lags offer much more corrosion resistance than standard or even zinc plated eye lags. We are now handling a 316 stainless steel acoustical eye lag for fastening into wood. These lags will offer a solution to situations including MRI rooms, outdoor use including marine applications and really any situation where corrosion is a concern. Our stainless steel acoustical eye lags come packed 100 per box and are 3″ in length. Installation is easy using a simple drill mounted eye lag driver or can be installed from the floor with the Lagmaster Plus tool. Sourcing stainless grid wire may still be a challenge, but a quick google search should find it for you. In addition toe stainless steel acoustical eye lags, we handle standard eye lags for both wood and metal decks plus a heavy duty version, the ELDX designed for drilling purlins up to 1/4″.
The Ramset T3SS gas tool has some great applications in the electrical and data field. The tool offers easy to use operation in masonry applications without overdrive or need for user certification. But did you know your Ramset T3SS tool can be used on an extension pole? The T3 Cup was designed for fast solid connection of the T3SS to an extension pole. We offer the T3 Cup With a pole tool, or you can purchase just the T3 Cup by itself. The cup screws on to the same pole tool used for the Ramset Viper 4 so if you use a Viper 4 tool, you already have the pole portion. This pole system starts with a base bole that has the trigger sleeve on and you can add 3′ extensions at will to attain the height you are looking for. So what can you do with your T3SS on a pole tool? One of the most common applications would be shooting up pre tied ceiling clips for hanging cables, and light fixtures. Clips are available to shoot 1/4″ and 3/8″ all thread to the ceiling as well. Adding an extension pole to your Ramset T3SS tool will not only increase productivity on the job, but safety as well. Every trip up the ladder is not only time spent but time spent in a less than optimal position as far as safety goes. If you have any questions on the Ramset T3SS extension pole or other fastening questions, give a call toll free at 1-877-212-2377.
Self drilling eye lags for drilling into metal and wood ceiling decks have been around for some time now. We are pleased to introduce the ELDX Self Drilling Eye Lag Screw for drilling into structural steel up to 1/4″ thick. The best way to see what they can do for you is to check out the video at our site. It shows several applications including drilling into 1/8″ steel in only 5 seconds! The screws can be installed using an eye lag driver or the Lagmaster Plus pole tool which allows you to install the eye lag from the floor and tie the grid wire at the same time. Check them out online at ConstructionFastening.Net Self drilling eye lag screws are great for hanging drop ceilings, light fixtures, cable runs, signs and more.